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, this is obama's deal, now he owns it. >> but they need to do better with communicating that exact message, really, if you look at what's going on here, obama has been persistent and bullheaded saying, it's my way or no way and i think he can wants to go over the cliff to demonize and at the same time bullying the middle class. >> and in the short-term run, that it is inevitable that the democrats will say you guys, you republicans, you put us offer the cliff because you were defending your rich millionaire friends, it's inevitable they will say that and that's a winning political line in the short-run. and over that, however, and you ask where is the leadership from this president, where is it? >> and here, stuart. >> doesn't he agree with you. >> americans with funny accent. let me ask you this question, explain to me and to the american people out there right now why you need to protect millionaires tax cuts in two sentences? >> okay, if you tax people over $250,000. >> wait a second, okay. >> tax them over a million, you might bring in on the best of years, you might bring-- wait a sec
november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package that guarantees if they get a short-term deal here, we have major budget battles coming. >> the key to any good negotiation each side has to give up something. near and dear to their heart. what is it, as succinctly as you imagine, both sides have given up? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. negotiations with boehner he moved to $400,000. not if you have for boehner. he wanted it to be $1 million or more. that is something that can beer worked on. spending cuts the republicans wan
to get to a deal. in some sense, i think the republicans got played a little bit, because president obama was the first one to introduce chained cpi, social security cuts into the conversation. and then democrats just erupted today when republicans reintroduced them. as they should have, because social security cuts are -- they don't contribute to the deficit, they're not part of the sequester. so it's unclear why they would be part of the bargain. and it's not social security this would hit, it would hit veterans and spouses of soldiers who died in combat. so if that's the way congress thinks it ought to balance the budget, by cutting the pensions for widows of soldiers, that's where we are now. >> chris, i respectfully disagree with ryan here. yes, there's a lot of pessimism among reporters here, but at the end of the day, when you talk to staffers in democratic and republican circles, all sides want to extend middle class tax rates. that rate discussion, to get to a threshold, $250,000, hopefully 400,000 if you're a conservative or republican, that is going to drive the deal. so the qu
for homes and businesses at this hour. >>> president barack obama is hoping to reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff and he left his vacation. we will look at the new offer and the concessions he is proposing. >>> let's go back outside with alex savage. >> reporter: they have finally been able to locate the problem right under where those crews are working and they have had to dig up quite a bit of sidewalk to figure out where the leak was coming from but crews say they are running a bypass around the broken line. off to the left, the people were evacuated as a precaution. everything began when neighbors reported the smell of gas in this area. people here were ordered to shelter in place in their homes for a time and early on, he was certainly going to face explosion. >> if something goes off or ignites, i am only a couple of doors down from where the leak is so it is frightening. >> the source of the leak has been found. the repair work, it will be difficult for she people to go back home and with the exception of the three homes evacuated, gas does remain on for the entire area of
in washington. there's no deal, no new offer on the fiscal cliff crisis. president obama has just told the two senate leaders they should make the deal. the results immediately felt in the financial markets. look where the dow closed down 158 points when it became very clear nothing was happening and now take a look at where the numbers are in the after markets. we would open now down 315 points on the dow if we started trading now. down 315 points. we have much more on this throughout the rest of the program, but the market's very unhappy. we do have some good news to report tonight. looks like at least one cliff has been averted for the time being. the so-called container cliff. the union that represents dock workers and u.s. maritime lines came to an agreement today to extend their current contract for 30 days. this is a big relief now for the retail industry and consumers who were staring at real destruction again for the supply chain. here now is jonathan gold and he's vice president of supply chain and customs policy for the national retail federation. jonathan, good to see you. >> miche
. president obama is dealing directly and spoke frequently sunday with the senate majority leader harry reid while vice president joe biden spoke frequently sunday with republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell. mcconnell and biden get along much better than mcconnell does with president obama. in the last 24 hours, the administration has given ground on raising threshold for income tax rates and estate tax rates, but also demanded much more in new government spending the republicans are comfortable with. it's that division between spending and taxes that continues to divide both sides, and that is the one thing that may prevent a deal from being achieved in the final hours as we get nearer to the fiscal cliff. >> major garrett, thank you. senator is live on capitol hill. >> thanks for having me. >> if there's a deal today, why would you vote to extend tax cuts if there are no new spending cuts? >> that's the exact thing. the real problem is the spending. if you want to raise taxes -- and the president promised in the campaign he wanted to do that -- it'
and said he was modestly optimistic about a deal on taxes. meeting this the red room, president obama held firm for tax cuts for families making up to $250,000 per year, and joining me on the north lawn of the white house is kristen welker. kristen, let's listen to what the president said about and up or down vote or what he expects from the senate. >> i had a good and constructive discussion here with the leadership about this tax hike on the middle-class. i am optimistic that we can reach an agreement that will be passed in both houses. if an agreement is not reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor and up or down vote for the floor, and i believe a p proposal could pass both houses with majorities as long as the leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can. but we should let everybody vote. >> kristen, this up or down vote seems to be be the big news of the day, and isn't this what the white house wanted all along? >> well, it is. it is prp's way of sayi
following president obama's announcement that he would cut his vacation short to deal with fiscal cliff negotiations. hoping that the real estate market would bolster the economy in 2013. we are learning that holiday sales this year were the weakest since 2008. they had a grim outlook for a fiscal cliff deal and the impact of the tragedy in newtown. on the radar this morning, chilling details in the christmas eve firefighter ambush. we could find out soon who will be saying aloha to the senate and a broken record in the house of representatives. new details out of webster, new york. william spangler set a car and house on fire and ambushed firefighters, opening fire on them as they arrive on the scene. police found a note he left behind saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and do what i like doing best, killing people. a convicted felon who spent 17 years in prison for killing his grandmother with a hammer was armed with three firearms including a bushmaster, the same gun used in the school massacre. he may have killed his sister and the home had human remains believed to be h
obama. mr. boehner said he wanted to deal along the lines what the two men had negotiated, summer of 2011, in the fight over raising the debt ceiling. "you missed your opportunity on that," the president told him. cold. but what we know right now, what we know from that is that john boehner wishes he could go back in time, get in the time machine, go back to 2011, and get the deal that president obama offered him then. mr. boehner wants another bite at that 2011 deal, because back then, the president was offering to stop at $800 billion in new taxes. my prediction here right now is that in a few weeks or a few months, republicans are going to wish they could go back to 2012, right now, and get the deal president obama offered them a week ago, which only raised about $1.2 trillion in taxes. because here's what i think is going to happen now. if we get a small deal before we go over the fiscal cliff, either because harry reid and mitch mcconnell come to a deal in the senate, or because democrats jam the republicans in congress, it's mostly going to be about extending the bush tax cu
from a bad deal they have a lot more power going into 2013 in that, basically president obama is going to have to deal with them on the debt ceiling. why not negotiate from a position strength in 2013? any tax increases now are retroactive, rather than give in and basically do great harm to your brand in the near term in return for nothing? ashley: basically what lesson do we learn, john, if we indeed take your advice and walk away or republicans walk away and just fall off the cliff? >> well the lesson we learn americans will still get up on january seg and go to work because what is they're going to do. the other lesson we'll learn from this is the politicians, whether republicans or democrat live to spend your money. so anytime they're not passing laws in haste, we're much better off. ashley: very good. leave it at that. john tamney, forbes opinion editor. joining us from the place with folks under the might be scope, d.c. john, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. ashley: markets holding their ground up about 57 points. even as time slips away from washington. shibani: trad
trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time. for mr. obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept these conditions. >> let me ask you this, then. interesting question. president obama gets his own deal, sends it over to the republicans, they have the same dilemma. >> well, they may. but i think you would
, 2012. good morning. good to be with you. i'm duarte geraldino. this afternoon president obama will meet with congressional leader to try to come to a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. they've been called into a sunday evening session just in case some deal can be reached. boehner is expected to attend the white house meeting but he's made it very clear. the next move is up to the senate. tara mergener has more. >> good morning, duarte. both sides say they are eager to talk and ready to strike a deal. the fiscal cliff is still a few days away, but business owner don carlino says he's already feeling the impact. >> a lot of our customers are holding back, they're apprehensive. they're not committing to projects. they're waiting to see what happens with the fiscal cliff. >> hope is fact if congress can get it done before january 1st. even congressional leaders are skeptical. >> the american people have a right to be very upset with this congress. >> president obama has invited nancy pelosi, john boehner, mitch mcconnell, and harry reid to the white house this afternoon for a fiscal
not be tonight. >> president obama putting pressure on lawmakers to reach a deal. mr. obama making remarks about the fiscal cliff aired it earlier today. he put much of the blame on shoulders of the republicans if no deal is reached. the gop fired back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. correspondent s henry is live from the white house. >> he is frustrated going on a talk show today in the middle of the negotiations. he has not been on one of the programs since 2009. he felt it was important to get the message out there. you are right he was pounding the same message again and again f. we go up the fiscal cliff for not meeting them halfway. >>> not because democrats and congre congre congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate but i think it has been hard for speaker boehner and republican mcconnell to accept the fact taxes on wealthiest should go up a little bit sweas well as a deficit reduction package. if they can't say yes to good offers i have an obligation to make sure the entire burden of deficit reduction doesn't fall on seniors who are relying on medicare. >>
interview president obama said compromise will be a key to making a deal. >> it is very important for republicans in congress to be willing to say we understand we are not going to get 100%. we are willing to compromise in a serious way. >> senate leaders hoped to send a plan right about now. the talks have broken down. listen to what senate leader said on the floor a short while ago. >> now, i'm concerned about the lack of urgency here. i think we all know we are running out of time. this is far too much at stake for political gamesmanship. the consequences of this are too high for the american people to be engaged in a political messaging campaign. i am interested in getting a result here. >> we have been trying to come up with some counteroffer to my friends' proposal. we have been unable to do that. i had have had a conversation with the president and that this stage we are not able to make a counteroffer. >> what happens now? with us is cello o'donnell and kristen welker. >> we are sort of at a pause point. if you are looking at the tone of these leaders what is i think optim
for a deal, president obama stated his terms face-to-face to top republicans and democrats. >> congressional leaders arrive ted white house this afternoon for their first group meeting with the president since november 16th. vice president biden and treasury secretary timothy geithner also attend. but there was little to suggest the makings of an 11th hour bargain. a source familiar with the meeting told the newshour its president is sticking with his offer from last friday. it included keeping the bush era tax break force the middle class but raising tax rates on incomes over 250,000 dollars a year. president also wants to extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million americans who will lose them in the new year. and a proposal would delay any spending cuts. the president asked for an up or down vote on his plan unless there is a counter proposal that will pass both the house and senate. a little more than an hour after the meeting began, several participants were seen leaving. >> and back at the capital the senate's democratic majority leader harry reid and republican minority leader mit
the senate. so what obama is saying, if harry reid and mcconnell do not get a deal, well, that means that a deal would signify that it is filibuster proof. they'd have a super majority. democrats have the majority so you would think why don't they just vote together, pass it and move on to the house, but the dare is that obama's saying do you really want to show to all of america, republican senators that you're going filibuster a bill and everybody's taxes will go up? how do you explain that when there are -- when there is a majority around who can fas? that's a pretty interesting dare that obama put out there. >> thank you, it's like a little school house rock on saturday afternoon here on msnbc. perry, if mitch mcconnell does make a deal, how does he sell that deal in kentucky and the reddest of red states, mind you? >> i think he can and the reason is, like i said, i think any deal he signs on to will be a deal 100, 120 house republicans will sign to. he's not going sign a deal by himself and he'll sign a deal that's acceptable to some conservatives and mitch mock connell has a h
was modestly optimistic about a deal on taxes. speaking in the white house briefing room, president obama condemned congress for failing to resolve its differences in in normal way. he held firm to middle-class tax cuts to families making $250,000 per year. joining me now from the white house is nbc's kristen welker. kristen, let's take a look at what the president said about what he expects from the senate. >> i just had a good discussion from house leadership about how to prevent this on the middle class. i believe we can reach an agreement. if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and sno senator mccollum, i will reach to him. i believe such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities as long as the leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can. but we should let everybody vote. >> kristen, this up or down vote seems to be the big news of the day. isn't this what the white house wanted all along? >> well, it is and it's president obama's way of saying, look, vote on his basic proposal, the
. they are saying no deal. president obama coming back to d.c. to fix what he broke in the first place. two solid years to deal with it. this is a gimmick, the flying back from hawaii to do this. nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he wa
four years. >> president obama said a deal is in sight and appeared at a campaign style event to remind everyone he is winning and g.o.p. is not. >> last month, republicans in congress said they would never agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiest americans. the agreement currently discussed would raise those rates, raise them permanently. >> republicans suggest the event may backfire to accuse the republican of rubbing their nose in defeat. >> the president won. we know that. he won fair and square. isn't it now time to govern? >> the president was out of line with his comments at 1:30 afternoon. this is a delegate time. i think the democrats would be embased after what the president did. >> after months of the president promising a balanced approach there are only tax hikes for rich without new spending cuts. today he hinted at more tax hikes ahead. warning republicans that the future deficit reduction will not come from cuts alone. >> if they think that is the formula for how we solve this thing, they have another thing coming. that is not how it will work. >> republicans fire back
to president obama and hairy reid, come back to say, sorry we're not atloud work the deal. they didn't want to deal then. they don't want a deal now. it worked out well for them not to allow a deal last time. they blamed us last year. them and it worked and got go over the cliff? blame republicans. not let the senate pass anything. we get away with it, again. >> allmúwu right. here is the quandry l dilemma. congressman> i think it does. the house acted. we acted on august 1 last week rejecting a proposal from our gone where the president wants to go and raise taxes onc-?9t certain folks. the senate has not acted. they haven't acted for 1337 days on a budg
don't know who to negotiate with. even with john boehner were to come to obama with a deal, john boehner is being held host and by members of his own caucus who won't let him do that. boehner can work with democrats to get it passnd and throw some of his support with the democrats to get it passed but the problem for john boehner is he has an election coming up for his own leadership position on january 3 and he is afraid to do that. >> laura: again, and i understand why julie is saying this because the republicans don't have a ton of leverage here, stephen. >> they don't. >> they have very little leverage. >> all of the taxes go up, lawyer, a as you know, on january 2. >> is it that bad for president obama if we go over the cliff, oh, throw the nation into recession and lose all these jobs but he views everything through a political lens does he not? >> he does. >> laura: i think they made the calculation this won't hurt them one bit and they have gotten the peg on the tea he party and boehner or something. >> the president has said that by the way of the negotiations and john b
. that's option one. the green one. option two is less certain. president obama reportedly challenged congressional leaders from both parties on friday to come up with a deal better than the one he proposed. the center piece of which is that the top marginal tax rate will increase for those earning $250,000 or more from 35% to 39.6%. that's only on the amount earned above that threshold. obama has told congress either they come up with something better or put his proposal to a vote. he's betting even those who hate the idea of a tax increase on the rich will hate causing america to go over the fiscal cliff even more. okay. option three. that's the red box. that's one where america goes over the fiscal cliff. jessica yellin is cnn's chief white house correspondent. peer into the crystal ball for us, jessica. which of these scenarios is most likely? >> well, ali, i think that after yesterday it's slightly more likely that there will be some sort of agreement. that doesn't mean that there are a whole bunch of optimists running around d.c. saying it's going to get resolved. but what you d
with congressional leaders this afternoon and declared he was modestly optimistic about a deal on taxes. speaking in the white house briefing room, president obama condemned congress for failing to resolve its differences in any normal way. >> christin, let's take a listen to what the president said about the up or down vote about what he expects to emerge from the senate. >> i just had a good and constructive discussion here at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. i'm optimistic. if an agreement isn't reached in time, between senate store reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote. i believe such a proposal could pass with bipartisan majorities. >> this up or down vote seems to be the big news of the day. isn't this what the white house wanted all along? >> well, it is. it's president's obama's way of saying vote on his basic proposal. it would extend in employment insurance benefit and deal with unemployment insurance cuts. >> so the question is, could
their majority in the house and there's a great deal of the country that does not support the way that obama would like to deal with this problem. stuart: look how it's been presented in the establishment media. president obama cutting short his holiday vacation, returning to washington trying to fix the fiscal mess. thank you very much, mr. president. mr. boehner, speaker boehner, oh, he finally gets the house back in session on sunday night. and then we have some democrats saying, why don't these republicans quit defending their millionaire pals. the way it's presented in the establishment media is highly pejorative against republicans and yet, republicans, as we heard from the rasmussen poll, they're not getting all of the blame. it's 44-36 that's where it is, again, that surprises me. >> those headlines are great. the next time i'm on deadline and i have a story to write. because i've left it to the last minute and i have to cancel a movie i think i'm going to, you know, complain about it and say, oh, finally, i'm getting back into the work session here. no, i mean, it's ridiculous. now,
work out a deal, tax hikes, spending cuts will take effect on tuesday of next week. president obama says he is willing to give congress a little time to come up with a compromise but his patience is limited well as is the rest of the country's. ed henry with the news live at the white house. ed, first, a dramatic meeting earlier today at the white house. and then this ultimatum from the president. >> that's right, harris. it was a dramatic exchange. what i'm told by a senior white house official is that the president basically told john boehner and mitch mcconnell the republican leaders in the room here for this meeting that he wants an up or down vote on his scaled back bill to try to avoid this fiscal cliff. and he basically turned on them and said so what's your response? what's your move? the next move is yours. and then i'm told that mitch mcconnell and harry reid, the democratic leader in the senate jumped in before john boehner really got a chance to fully respond and say, look, we will take the ball and try to pass a bipartisan bill in the senate. the president responded by
that will take any deal that obama will give them because they are scared to death. >> i think the republicans will have a much stronger hand, assuming we go over the cliff, assuming obama stays very hard line and offers only humiliating conditions, the republicans resistor do nothing, then we go over the cliff, then i think you are right. the republicans have a pretty strong hand because obama then has to worry about the debt ceiling. now with he says that's a game i won't play. he has to play. he's the president. he's responsible for the full faith and credit of the united states. and he's got republicans in charge of the house. that's the will of the people. that's the result of an election. and they have a man date -- mandate as much as he does. he may not like it, but he has to. that's are the republicans i think has the stronger hand. if you don't cave now and you hang on, the republicans will be in a position in the next month or two, i think we will really hit the wall on the debt ceiling probably the end of february, beginning of march, and that's when i think they will have the upper
it obama says let's raise taxes instead. we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, in four years obama has done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing for four years. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people is what obama talks about instead of doing his job. there are two costs to this. one, if you take money out of savings and investment, which is what you're doing with this, it doesn't help, it reduces the incentives to save, invest and work and the other thing you do is you never get to reform government entitlements. >> that's not causal. >> it is, absolutely. >> that's not really. >> you live in new york i live in d.c., washington, this is all causal. the reason he's talking about tax increases is to avoid the conversation and dealing with spending restraints. that's why obama does what he does. >> the reason i doubt that, grover, is because we've all done the math and we all absolutely agree on the math that you can't get out of the deficit hole we're in by taxing rich people even if you tax them
obama returns to d.c. to hammer out a deal with the senate, but there may be another problem, a more threatening problem to deal with before the new year, and he's a mean one, no, not roland martin, the grinch. >> that's will, else' the grinch. >> that might be, from the new musical. >> look at him. >> will, go outside and get your costume on. >> it is thursday, december 27th, "starting point" begins right now. all right, row manned martin joins us, the host of "washington watch." "washington watch with roland martin" a little hot this morning. ron brownstein is the editorial director at "national journal" will cain in addition to playing the grinch as a conservative holding up the fiscal cliff deal is also an analyst for the blaze. >> he's a ball of fire this morning. >> our "starting point" before we get to all of that is torture for holiday travelers as a powerful winter storm smothers the northeast. pennsylvania, new york, massachusetts, new hampshire, vermont and maine are under winter storm warnings. by tomorrow new englanders could be buried under 18 inches of snow or more and
. thank you very much. coming up, are we close to a deal? president obama will speak in about 30 minutes. we'll have it live. also joining us delaware senator chris kuhns, jack kingston and maryland democratic congressman elijah cummings talking about the cliff and the deal, maybe. we're also live at new york's presbyterian hospital with the latest on secretary of state hillary clinton's condition. andrea mitchell reports is next. we can afford to take an extra trip this year. first boston... then san francisco. hotwire checks the competitions' rates every day so they can guarantee their low prices. so our hotels were half price. ♪ h-o-t-w-i-r-e... ♪ hotwire.com
-racking for millions. president obama said a deal was in sight, but he slammed congress for stalling and for failing to reach a broader agreement. sources say the senate will try to vote tonight. we're not going to have a house vote tonight because the house has already adjourned until tomorrow, noon eastern time, which means we will not be able to solve this problem fully tonight if it gets solved at all. that's still not entirely clear. let's go to jessica yellin. if you've been watching over the last several hours, you get conflicting information. is there a deal or not? >> the white house is optimistic there will be a deal. republicans in the senate are confident there will be a deal. senate democrats are still holding out for more changes in this deal. and so right now, there's still that last haggling over certain sticking points that democrats want to see in this negotiation. and it's one of the reasons we understand that vice president biden is set to go up there. now, that's once the deal is done and sealed. the reason the vice president would go up there, it's to sort of sell the deal, bas
. congressional leaders will talk with president obama trying to avert the "fiscal cliff." ed payne tells us they only have four days. >>> reporter: in what's seen as a last-minute attempt to reach a deal, president obama meets at the white house with senate majority leader harry reid, house minority leader nancy pelosi, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and house speaker john boehner. they have only four days to reach an agreement or the u.s. economy will go off the so- called "fiscal cliff." that's when automatic spending increases and cuts would take effect. reaching a deal won't be easy because both sides are involved in a high stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president we would be happy to look at wah he proposes but the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline and as i said this is a conversation we should have had months ago. >> reporter: democrats want
the potential deal they had been working on with president obama. >> republican strategist, frank luntz has been talking with voters, what is the chance you see this becomes the new compromise? >> i'm not sure if hooert side is watching very closely. we did a survey and we got two interesting questions. one that's very tough on republicans. we asked the american people who is the gop fighting for and representing, the number one answer, the rich the number two answer, big business, well back is number three hard-working taxpayers. by them fighting this on the most wealthy americans, they say once again the gop is standing up for the rich what the democrats don't understand is that the hostility towards how much washington end spends that this whole discussion of the last six weeks has been about raising taxes on the wealthy. >> let's say we get a deal and it's short-term spending cuts and people don't have someone to blame because we don't go over the cliff, but the markets don't like it the world economy doesn't like it and ultimately our currency becomes in jeopardy
us about this new fiscal cliff deal that president obama has sent over to senator leaders? >> well, the power of social media to get the word out. gop sources say in the conversation with the president, he indicated that he does have a bill he would like to bring forward to the hill today. they have not seen that. it would be a package to deal with averting the fiscal cliff. we can infer from that with what the president said before he went to the family vacation in hawaii that he wanted something that would be scaled down, not a massive grand bargain that would protect the current tax rate for people who earned less than $250,000 a year or perhaps a different figure if they reached that. but trying to protect the middle class. so officials here haven't seen it yet, but this is kind of today's volley in what has been this ongoing battle. house speaker john boehner has been saying the president must act and it appears the president is prepared to do that with another offer. and senate democrats would presumably be right on board with that. hopefully we will get details sometime this
stories from the west coast that i have to get for you. barack obama is not relistically dealing with nuclear power. this has been a political football for years ever since the reagan administration. he didn't want the nuclear waste plant built out in the east, tom foley didn't want it built in the west, some texas congressman didn't want it in his state, so that's how nevada got stuck with it. it's been studies, however, this land, yucca mountain's been studied for about 25 years, and the facility's already built, and it cost about $13.5 billion. it is safer to store nuclear waste in one central location in the middle of nowhere -- apologies to north nevada -- tho scatter it around the country which is what our current policy is. our current policy is when the nuclear power plant is done with the fuel, you put it into a fuel pool or a dry casket and sit it on site. that is less safe than just taking it all in and sticking it underneath a mountain in nevada. however, the chair, gregory crash coe -- originally appointed by jrnlg w. bush and elevated to chairman by barack obama and
the president. so mitch mcconnell, speaker john boehner, they have to deal with the fact that president obama was reelected to raise taxes on the top 2% and speaker boehner and the republicans can't get their hands around their caucus, then the blame is on them. >> jarret, what do you think about all of this? you deal with the policy. you deal with the numbers. there has been some offers from the president, even to the chagrin of hi base. how do you make where we are? >> well, listening to the three of you and your introduction, i'm just struck a real low point in american politics over a period when there's been pretty good kovcompetition for the low of the low points. i'm also really kind of moved by the really political malpractice going on. we have an economic recovery on going. >> by the way, you don't really hear people talking about the unemployment rate. you're working to build on the momentum of this recovery. help them prove it so american households can get ahead on their own. through working hard. not through any tax breaks or anything like that. but through getting back to work a
this is serious. it's been serious for months. we need to come together. president obama has a $4 trillion deal on the table that would be balanced in terms of increasing the tax rates on the wealthiest americans. significant spending cuts and has even proposed more -- several hundred billion in entitlement savings. if we can come together and put together a balanced agreement, then we can avoid this. and move on to focusing on the job creation and getting the economy turned around that we should all be working together towards. >> but whatever happens, would it be fair to say that you've got much bigger fish to fry, so to speak, in the new year? i mean, it's not going to be the grand bargain. there's going to be a lot of talk of entitlements, we were talking to tom cole and he's saying democrats just don't want to do what they need to do about cutting back spending. we've got to stop spending. >> my friend tom cole knows that's simply not true. we have $4 trillion deal that includes billions of dollars in spending cuts on the table from president obama that democrats have been willing and read
's no deal and inaction, there's a lot of leverage it would seem that president obama would have. all the bush era tax rates go away. polls suggest republicans will be blamed more than democrats with if we go over the curb so to speak. is there a real incentive here for democrats to say, let's just not make a deal today? >> i think the only incentives for democrats not to make a deal, to wait for us to go over the curb, to wait for us to repeal the bush tax cuts or moving into a lower level for republicans, so there's base saving for them. for democrats there's more leverage to ask for what i think are the important elements. unemployment insurance, stimulus spending and hopefully, an extension of the payroll tax. i would prefer us to postpone the status quo for two more years because what's important right now is to get the economy back in gear and getting the economy back in gear. >> you would extend? >> the fiscal cliff would happen like in 2014. >> so bush tax cuts for the top 2%? >> keep those. the whole shabang. what we need is more money to go to the economy to keep things aflo
on deal and president obama is calling out lawmakers for rejecting offers for last month. >> what do you think the chances of a small deal in the less 48 hours to avoid the cliff? >> exceedingly good. i think what have we accomplished, a political vick for the president. the president has stood his ground. he is going to get tax rate increases but upper income americans and sad news for the country we have accomplished very little of not becoming greece. this won't affect the debt situation. it will be a political victory for the president and i hope we'll have the courage of our convictions when it comes time to raise the debt ceiling to fight for what we believe in. but hats off to the president. >> we have been talking to the republicans since the election has been over. they have had trouble to say yes to a number of repeated offers. >> so what kind of deal if any can we expect before the clock runs out? joining us for a fair balanced debate, tony is here, national political correspondent for talk radio news service and fox news contributor, jehmu greene former president of the women
to have to deal with, in terms of the debt. so i agree, i think president obama may have won the short-term battle. but i don't think he's going to win on this -- on the debt situation because that is when there is going to be absolute no negotiation on how much -- on what spending we do. it is going to be how much spending cuts that we are going to make because we are really at the point of no return, with respect to our debt. >> when you break out some of the individual leader who is are playing a part in this fiscal cliff negotiation, this is the latest gallup polling around christmas time. none of them faired too well. the president does the best. but we have house speaker john boehner, approval is 26% and harry reid, 34%. doug, who steps up and shows some leadership at this moment? >> well, the president's overall approval rating is pretty high, i think, he is in the mid-50s, about the highest he has been in some time. i think it's going to be, in the short term, it's mcconnell and reid. can it pass the house? that will be up to john boehner's leadership. i think that john boehner
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